Justice for pd_watergate and cp_metalworks

[Kvasorob]

pd_watergate is a good map that's good to play once in a while, and we played lots of it in the beginning of castaway, it is argued that it kills the server and makes people leave, but same is often said about arena as well as degroot keep and burghausen, and yet they are in rotation. Perhaps it could be settled such that these special maps (pd, medieval, perhaps arena) have reduced map timer (20 minutes or so), in an effort to make it more bearable for those who reject these maps.
cp_metalworks is just a regular 5cp map that is comparable to gullywash to me personally, I am not sure why it was removed/never included, pardon me if I missed prior discussions of this but I don't think there was any argument why it's not in rotation/is a bad map and it was promised for it to be added back.
thanks.

[Asmo]

Watergate is hot garbage and needs to stay gone for good. I don't have any strong feelings towards Metalworks.

[Buchou]

[Perhaps it could be settled such that these special maps (pd, medieval, perhaps arena) have reduced map timer (20 minutes or so), in an effort to make it more bearable for those who reject these maps.

Personally, I kind of like this idea. But, I could see why others wouldn't go for it, especially not with regards to arena.

[Kvasorob]

[Perhaps it could be settled such that these special maps (pd, medieval, perhaps arena) have reduced map timer (20 minutes or so), in an effort to make it more bearable for those who reject these maps.

Personally, I kind of like this idea. But, I could see why others wouldn't go for it, especially not with regards to arena.

To be honest that is a suggestion other people have made, which I also don't like, but if medieval maps are to stay, then this could let servers die less with them. I think arena can omit this treatment as well, but I know there are many arena slanderers and rejectors so perhaps this could help appease them when it is voted in.
On NA arena pretty much revives servers but EU people really don't seem to be able to stomach it properly, perhaps this adjustment towards it could also be done specifically to EU (as some adjustments were made before to be only on EU and nowhere else, but we won't talk about that) but I understand that upkeeping consistent experience of servers across all regions is important

[Kvasorob]

Watergate is hot garbage and needs to stay gone for good. I don't have any strong feelings towards Metalworks.

Watergate is probably the best player destruction map out of all they added, let alone non-halloween themed ones.
And I don't see how it is different from any koth map really, with gameplay mostly consisting of deathmatch and occasionally going for objective in middle

[Nota]

Watergate is trash, I’d rather have selbyen if we’re gonna play PD

Metalworks is a compslop map, it’s disabled along with Sunshine, and Sunshine is better than Metalworks.
Even so I don’t know why we disable Metalworks and Sunshine yet keep Process, double standards

[Pasta]

I like selbyen more than watergate

[Pig]

Metal works is just as good as any other map we have in rotation

[Nota]

Nah no more map bloat, I’d rather have new custom maps then more compshit maps like metalworks or sunshine. Same goes for PD maps, it’s a stupid replaceable gamemode, probably the worst gamemode added